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Comment on Words of Wisdom From One So Young by Arnt

Arnt — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:45:40 +0000

Like Orange County Clock work, they flock to Gerry’s site, even Norm on asking Gerry about how he would handle a child porn case, and Gerry telling Norm he is the Guru on that.( cross wired blogs)
Like cross wiring in the electronic nets, the cross-fire between the Norm forces, and the grads.
No wonder so many do not opt to leave their SS # name, address, when so many of the Grads, are so very nasty to others in America, who simply went to thier site(CYBER world) to see what it was all aboout, only to get kicked in the teeth, in a
cyber sense.( merely in the cross fire… and what a cross fire it is — among the discontected GRADS.
I am not speaking about this site.
This site, speaks to the postive real live connections among people, not the artificial, or the contrived.
I thought the piece about your son was so inspiring,
so grounded, so connected, In short, so postively real
That may be a rarity in the net landscape, but it speaks to the real connections in life—that truly count.

Comment on Narcissists and Sycophants: A Marriage Made in Hell by Pat

Pat — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:33:03 +0000

Sycophant, not at all. Some of us were introduced to the narcissist at an early age before their disorder became fully pronounced. By that time we were committed and failed to see or understand the signs until they became full blown and incredibly hurtful. Some of us were accomplished in our own right and therefore, we were pursued by the narcissist because we had something he wanted, which is very flattering and can be confused for “love”. Some of us were excellent caregivers which we learned in our family of origin, providing the narcissist with all that he was lacking from his narcissistic parent. We “mothered” him well; it just wasn’t enough…it never is, and along the way, we weren’t having our wants met and stopped singing the narcissts praises. We all know where that leads…devaluing and discarding. It’s difficult to be in a relationship with a narcissist. You get glimpses of the young child, damaged through no fault of his own by a parent incapable of healthy parenting, and you wish that it had been different for them. On the other hand, the cruel and dismissive hurts hurled at you by this person cut you to the core…especially when the next day they profess to “love” you. It is sheer confusion until the day you get it. And then you know the only way you will survive is to cut them from your life as best you can and not to succumb to their manipulation any longer…sycophant is wrong and most definitely too simplistic!

Comment on Words of Wisdom From One So Young by WTF

WTF — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:53:10 +0000

Big TLC board meeting this week at Spence’s multi million dollar estate in Santa Barbara. Wonder what garbage will come out of the meeting. Several rumours are floating around including the upcoming purging of sevaral staff members who some on the board don’t believe are “real trial lawyers.” Who makes that call? Those staff members who suck up to the new leader get extra points. Also heard the 7 step program is on the cutting block. Anyone want to take a bet that the FWB won’t even get to appoint its own alumni rep to the TLC board and that the big board will choose someone they can control? I heard several months ago from one of the staff that there is going to be a new rule that precludes staff members from ever working on cases with alumni. TLC wants more and more control over the “little people.”

Comment on Narcissists and Sycophants: A Marriage Made in Hell by elijah

elijah — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:50:00 +0000

I can’t help but wonder if your reply is driven by the fact that sycophants are co-narcissistic parasites that feed on the narcissist himself.

In other words sycophants are narcissists that fail at portraying what they wished they could, their ideal idea of themselves. They latch on to the narcissist thinking they will gain something by mere association and of course they tend to be blind to the narcissism of the other , for they are blind to their own.

Comment on Words of Wisdom From One So Young by Anonnymous

Anonnymous — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:05:57 +0000

A little more than 2 weeks before the alumni meeting in Dallas. I hope some in attendance will speak up and ask the tough questions. But be prepared for propoganda and spin from the top with no real information about the many questions raised by Norm and others. The leaders are hoping this all dies over and that no one will push them to answer the hard questions. Won’t surprise me if this meeting becomes a TLC love fest, typical cult meeting where attendees just worship TLC, Spence and his new water boy Jude Basile. I hope I am wrong but given the silence on the list serve about what has been happening recently, I am not optimistic.

Comment on Words of Wisdom From One So Young by Fed Up

Fed Up — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:02:00 +0000

I seriously doubt the FWB members will appoint an alumni rep before the annual meeting in a couple of weeks. And I seriously doubt they will appoint one at all unless that person is approved in advance by the TLC Board, or to be exact, by Jude and Gerry. The alumni have no real voice and it is doubtful we will ever be given one. The FWB is just a joke. I am going to show my dissatisfaction with TLC by cancelling my ranch club membership and by not going to any more regionals. No point if there will be less psychodrama and no Joshua Karton.

Comment on Words of Wisdom From One So Young by Anon

Anon — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:38:54 +0000

Just read on Norm’s blog that the alumni have no rep on the TLC board and it is the FWB’s job to appoint an alumni rep. Why haven’t they done so? Please get a rep for us on the TLC Board ASAP and please do not pick someone who will just suck up to the big board and do whatever they ask. We need an alumni rep to rep us, the alumni, at the Dallas meeting and who will stand up to Jude Basil and ask tough questions. Please pick someone who has the courage to do this and who will keep on the big board until they give us some answers. Why is everyone being so quiet about the stuff that Jude and Gerry are doing? Getting rid of great people, decreasing the number of psychodramatists and now Josh? Doesn’t anybody care?

Comment on Words of Wisdom From One So Young by Mitch

Mitch — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:07:56 +0000

On closer reading, it was not Chile, but rather Boliva(218), where the copper mines were high in the Bolivian Mountains(not Chile—see above). Oh, why Chile, once I went over their mountains into Argentina( about 20 years, ago). In any event, those were matters(Spence family) in the late 1940’s,(about 70 years ago) and upon the Spences return to the USA, the great depression came upon Gerry Spence’s mother, seeking to adjust to matters in her 50’s. While ancient goings on, it is ironic. Here, we see a beautifully told story about the caring of the son–from Jo, that others can be nurished by, and learn from.
We are born as humans, we develop as humans, we grow as humans, we inter-act act with others as humans.
No club, no profession, no Party no Org can give us our humanity, we are self endowed with it, and lets hope no Org , or party, or Club can strip us of that –which we were endowed with.

Comment on Words of Wisdom From One So Young by Mitch

Mitch — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:20:24 +0000

TLC was founded(1993) 3 years, before the 1996 Spence Book. Now, in 2009, some (see above) have questions on some thing about some “human sides” of some.
When some go to some TLC member lawyer blogs, they care not to allow American citizens input, comments, as people, and Master-Bloggers, like Norm issue pontifications, like they are Godly in their judgements, as if on some Greek Mountains.(Fairy Tale Project and all)
Yes, the son of Jo is wise, and caring, and he sure did not need to go to Thunderhead to be in deep meaningful ways fully human, on the scale of good, and kind, and caring.
This notion that some lost being human, and only some ranch in Wyoming(its offshoots) can restore one’s humanity, is most curious, by the Club

Comment on Words of Wisdom From One So Young by Mitch

Mitch — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:12:56 +0000

Norm Pattis, and J R Clary would would not allow this to be posted on their BLOG BOARD, due to their bandwith restrictions, so those so called lawyer blogs claim.

Page 346 of 1996 Book, “Making of a Country Lawyer : “I( Gerry S) was going to be committed as a lunatic”. Above that, the Shrink(Doc) says(as attributed) “you are presently a danger to yourself(G Spence) and others”. the Doc went on: ” You (G Spence) are obviously suffering from a deep psychotic episode”.

Next page: 347: “religion is insantity taught to the masses”… (See Norm’s spin on where the Sun moves in relationship to the earth, and his piece( Fairly tale project”). Could I give that to 5 people(carefully selected) and ask was the person (Norm) who wrote that a 1/2 bubble off, of course with some pre-slant comment, to the Buds…
From afar, adjudged as a “kin”, by Norm and Scotty, in their Jung, Freud cyber suits as J D’s, of the method. J D’s mine you.
It was the love of Anna, who brought Gerry through his troubled times.
It was the love of Anna who moved with him to Calif(the Bay area).
She was cast aside, the passion ran to another— the dark raven haired beauty in Casper, central Wyoming.
How does Norm makes so many judgements from so afar to people he does not know, & knows nothing about them(or so little in fuller sum, or the wider sum of things). But, he has a blog with band-space(width), and he can offer up his judgements, and his TLC 25 pieces, etc.
I am making no judgement on the Spence book–here, it was published by St Martins press 1996.
A prior insightul poster, offered up that Spence has a thing with woman, citing the B word, and offered up well how to you defend the Spence book on Bloodthirsty, and the attacks on Nancy Grace.
Well, I have no reply here, my band-space has been very restricted(here). I appreciate that, I am not the master of the BLOG, subject one.
I know for a fact the Spence Firm has not won every case, every appeal, every motion, it is not much different than many firms.
Granted Spence has had rousing victores which he has hyped against the U S Government, the DOJ in such matters as:
a) Ruby Ridge, Randy Weaver, where a wife was shot holding her baby, in a rual Mountain setting.
b) the Feiger matter— federal campaign matters, involving a Mich law firm, and John Edwards, now in deep doo-doo with his luv child by the video Producer
c) the Marcos money laundering things in NY, with the Saudi Sheiks
d) The killing point blank by a Sheriff( the civil suit was never mentioned by Spence, & one of the most significant appeal court cases ever— against Spence’s killer client( See his Gunning for Justice vintages, never mention in his book on the federal court, matters Becky Rosa v Ed Cantrell, City of Rock Springs.( a major civil rights case for wrongful killing—civil rights, just like the civil wronguful death mattres in the OJ case, underscore–civil cases, after criminal proceedings.

However, all any has to do, is run a lexis)PACER etc), to determine that the Spence Firm is not much different than other firms, and Gerry has been able to sell to juries in select cases: The government is evil, bad, corrupt, and has wrongfully charged his client.( and apply reasonable doubt to Feiger et al.. etc.)
He has done so with passion, and great success.
So, the white collar NY bar Esq(Scotty) does not dig the principles of “honest service”, indeed he(“SHG”) would not give some space to respond on that site put up from a White Collar Criminal Defense attorney perspective, pal of Norms back scratch, but who is melting down now, in the wake of recent revelations.
What does “honest services” have to do with law firms, local government, governments that are so dysfunctional ? Well, Norm don’t have the bandwith to hear from some, he has a portal that one has to navigate that does not post comments the first time and he(his blog ISP) has glitces in that…etc
Spence has whole sections on his blog on insantity, and any reader(who reads thorougly) must know, Spence’s dad blamed doctors for not treating Spence’s mom, as she had a serious case of depression, afer returning from the rigors of the mountains(copper explotation world) of Chile, and the copper mine troubles, labor strife.
Indeed, the “internet” is a great melting pop, much like America. It allows Norm’s PAL Scotty to come on and pontificate, and then band -space is announced as “limited”–not existenet for those judged as per the Litmus of(a whole other subject)
If i did not find Norm’s site of interest, i would not read it, but it is fasinating in some ways.
Where the sun does dawn, indeed.

Anna is a wonderful woman, as is Imagine, and so the circle of life goes on